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    Have you ever chosen not to vote in the presidential election because you did not like either candidate?

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    David Siders of POLITICO wrote:President Donald Trump is losing a critical constituency: voters who see two choices on the ballot — and hate them both.

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    Unlike in 2016, when a large group of voters who disliked both Trump and Hillary Clinton broke sharply for Trump, the opposite is happening now, according to public polling and private surveys conducted by Republicans and Democrats alike.

    It's a significant and often underappreciated group of voters. Of the nearly 20 percent of voters who disliked both Clinton and Trump in 2016, Trump outperformed Clinton by about 17 percentage points, according to exit polls.

    Four years later, that same group — including a mix of Bernie Sanders supporters, other Democrats, disaffected Republicans and independents — strongly prefers Biden, the polling shows. The former vice president leads Trump by more than 40 percentage points among that group, which accounts for nearly a quarter of registered voters, according to a Monmouth University poll last week.

    “It’s a huge difference,” said Patrick Murray, who oversees the Monmouth poll. “That’s a group that if you don’t like either one of them, you will vote against the status quo. And in the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton represented more of the status quo than Trump did. In this current election, the status quo is Donald Trump.”

    Trump’s weakness with the electorate’s malcontents is a worrisome sign for Republicans. They now must not only bloody Biden but render him less palatable than an already-unpopular president. Biden has been a fixture in public life for decades — making it more difficult to alter public opinion of him — and he is viewed more favorably by voters than Clinton was in 2016.

    “It’s not 2016 anymore, OK?” said Christopher Nicholas, a longtime Republican consultant based in Pennsylvania. “There’s no way Joe Biden will be as bad a candidate as Hillary Clinton.”

    In Pennsylvania — which Trump flipped in 2016, but where he now trails Biden — Nicholas recalled speaking to groups throughout the state in 2016 and invariably being asked, “How did we end up with two such terrible candidates for president?”

    “People like that choose the devil they don’t know,” Nicholas said, rejecting Clinton as a de facto incumbent and instead taking their chances with Trump. “What’s different in 2020? He’s the incumbent. So, he’s the devil you know … That’s why those numbers have flipped so precipitously from ’16 to '20, and there’s nothing inherent you can do about that, because Trump is the incumbent.”

    One prominent Republican pollster said it is “certainly a concern,” suggesting that “the campaign needs to put a lot more heat on Biden.”

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    Trump appears to recognize the urgency. Last month, political advisers briefed Trump on internal polls showing Biden winning in battleground states, and Trump losing the surge of support that initially accompanied his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

    “Clearly he was planning on running on a good economy with Joe Biden being old-school politics and scandal-ridden with his son,” said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion. “And that whole playbook has long been trashed. So, there’s a new playbook.”

    Trump’s campaign is now preparing to unload a barrage of negative ads on Biden, expecting to spend more than $10 million in an effort to weaken the presumptive Democratic nominee. Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale likened the campaign to a “death star.”

    “Public polls have been wrong about President Trump since 2016,” said Tim Murtaugh, a spokesman for Trump's reelection effort. “Joe Biden has only been the president’s apparent opponent for a little while, and we have only just begun to define him. When Americans learn the full story about Joe Biden’s embarrassing record, the choice for voters will be clear.”

    Trump pollster John McLaughlin said of Biden’s more favorable image than Clinton’s: “We’re not going to let this go on forever … This will not be a one-sided election. There’ll be a contrast, and once we have that contrast, the president will win.”

    Trump did overcome a polling disadvantage four years ago, and the top-line margins between Trump and Biden are similar to polls from the same time in 2016. Trump is trailing Biden by about 5 percentage points nationally, according to the Real Clear Politics polling average, and he is lagging in swing states — including in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Florida. At this point in 2016, Clinton national lead was slightly larger.

    Clinton was leading Trump in the run-up to the 2016 election among voters who disapproved of both politicians, too. But that margin was consistently smaller than Biden’s — less than 10 percentage points in most polls before Election Day.

    “There are a number of people who hate politics and politicians, and they play somewhat of a swing role in the country,” said Mark Mellman, a Democratic pollster.

    In 2016, he said, “the people who decided the election were people who disliked both Clinton and Trump, and they voted overwhelmingly for Trump. This time, it’s a smaller number of people who dislike Trump and Biden, but that smaller number of voters is voting for Biden.”

    Anna Greenberg, a pollster who advised former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper’s presidential campaign, recalled focus groups in 2016 in which voters were “shut down to Clinton and not so shut down to Trump.” They'd often say, “I don’t like him,” but would offer reasons why they might vote for Trump, anyway.

    Now, Greenberg said, Trump is “so much more defined,” and “Biden’s numbers are not off-the-chart great, but they’re not terrible.”

    Biden is better liked by voters than Clinton was at this point in the campaign four years ago. And the coronavirus pandemic — and the public attention it has commanded — has had the effect of freezing the campaign, making it more onerous for Trump to train voters' attention on anything else.

    He is losing to Biden by almost exactly the same margin now as he was in March, before the pandemic took hold.

    Ben Tulchin, Sanders’ pollster, said that in the Democratic primary, “once we were behind after Super Tuesday and coronavirus started kicking in, it was impossible to change the narrative because voters were not focused on the race anymore. They were focused on the global pandemic.”

    In the primary, Tulchin said, Biden’s favorability rating “held up better than Hillary’s did.” Now, for the purposes of the general election, Tulchin said, Biden is “locking in when he’s ahead.”

    Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster, said that while Biden “does not seem to generate the same degree of animosity that Hillary Clinton did,” there is still room to shape public opinion around him.

    “The imperative for [Trump's] campaign is to turn the 2020 election from a referendum to a choice, and then to disqualify Joe Biden as an acceptable choice,” Ayres said.

    If Trump can accomplish that, Republicans believe he could tilt the electoral landscape back in his direction, especially if the pandemic subsides and the economy begins to recover.

    “It’s a one-two,” said Greg McNeilly, a Republican strategist in Michigan.

    “You disqualify Biden, and then there’s so many factors outside of his control," he said. "If the country is kind of the way we started the year … you get back to that, with Biden’s negatives up high, [Trump] can pull this off.”

    On the other hand, McNeilly said, “If you run Biden’s negatives up and everybody’s super dour on the country, they’re still going to be willing to try something new.”

    Even if I hated Biden, I still couldn't see myself voting Trump, let alone a second time.  If I look at the next six months down the road, I can actually see this same thing happening.  You say, "No more status quo"?  Vote for the other guy.  That's what happened in 2016.  Imagine that happening again.

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    PostKyng on Sun May 24, 2020 11:30 am

    Obviously, I can't vote in US presidential elections; however, I haven't abstained due to a dislike of both major candidates. When I can't stand either of them, I just cast a protest vote for a minor party (which is what I did in both 2017 and 2019).

    The only time I didn't vote was in 2010 - but that was because I was busy with studying for my university exams, and I didn't have time to inform myself about the candidates.
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    PostThe Last Outlaw on Sun May 24, 2020 11:42 am

    You do know that a vote for a third party candidate usually favors that one guy you dislike more than the other...

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    PostKyng on Sat May 30, 2020 5:16 am

    @The Last Outlaw wrote:You do know that a vote for a third party candidate usually favors that one guy you dislike more than the other...

    I can certainly understand that perspective. However, I can also understand the perspective that "Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil, and your vote will be seen as support for that evil".

    In reality, my position comes somewhere in between those two. I accept that there are situations where "voting for the lesser of two evils" is the correct choice: if one major-party candidate is delivering on some of my important issues, and the other is delivering on none of them, then I'll hold my nose and vote for the candidate that's delivering on some of my issues. However, if neither candidate is delivering for me on anything that's important to me, then I don't feel guilty about voting third-party, even if I find one of the major-party candidates to be slightly less terrible than the other.

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